Monday, July 04, 2005

Independence Day and Church: What do you think?

Brothers and sisters in Christ (and even those who are neighbors, but not fellow Christians), I would like feed back on this topic.

Often for the United States day of Independence (July 4), churches will hold a service that commemorates this American holiday—celebrating the founding of the nation and the freedoms that come along with it. Often this will include singing the Star Spangled Banner, a few songs like God Bless America, the Battle Hymn of the Republic, etc. The message that is given will have something to do with freedom (hopefully heavenly freedom from sin in Christ and our citizenship as members of the city of God, not about the glories of the USA, as the church is certainly not the place to praise a political/state entity.)

Now, all sorts of questions come to mind about this, and I in no way can exhaust all of the questions that can be raised about such an issue. Such questions as, should this be done during a service in which we are to worship God alone? Should we celebrate the founding of this nation, since it is the nation with the greatest amount of religious freedom ever (Baptists and Methodists would probably want to celebrate this more than Episcopals or Roman Catholics)? Should we pledge allegiance to this entity, or would that be dividing our loyalty? I’m not saying that I do not have my opinions on all of these issues, but I am wondering what other people think.

Now, some may think that the issue of separation of church and state becomes an issue here. I do not think this is an issue in this case, considering that that idea/ideal has a specific meaning. That specific meaning is that there is not to be a state sanctioned/controlled religion that is enforced upon the people. Rather, people are to have the liberty to worship how and what they desire, according to their consciences (which can be deadly wrong, seeing as humans are enslaved to sin without Christ). It seems to me that few people actually understand this concept. The separation of church and state does not mean that people cannot hold prayer meetings after school (in fact, to stop them from holding prayer meetings after school is a breach of this—since that is the state enforcing the religion of not being allowed to pray after school on school grounds, and schools are public property (since we live in a government by the people, for the people). This idea also does not mean that the Ten Commandments cannot be displayed in public buildings, such as courthouses, etc. Actually, to demand the removal of the Ten Commandments is a breach of the separation. In demanding this action, the state is enforcing the religion of naturalism (which is not an objective, neutral stance) upon the people by claiming there is no higher power to which we must answer/one cannot practice his/her religion where he/she desires. A state religion is thus being enforced. But this is a rabbit trail which I will pursue no longer.

So, if you have thoughts on this, please feel free to post them. And, I should soon be able to post more frequently again since I am now finished with my two summer-term classes. I have some stuff upon which I’d like to write, and hopefully I will do so soon.

4 Comments:

At 12:26 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it comes from a sense of thanks. Not simply because God in His providence decided to place us in a nation where we are free to worship, but because God in his providence created us anywhere. I have many friends that are from other countries and I encourage them to celebrate that heritage and have an attitude of thankfulness as well.
I also believe that because we are placed in this nations we should be willing to pledge allegiance since the government and state are both creations that are from God, so in eccense they are good, unless corrupted by man's sinfulness. So we are to serve our nation as long as it does not take away from serving our God. Hope you had a great 4th Lenny. I will hopefully be in Louisvile soon and promise to replace that book I borrowed (yes I did loose it for which I give sincerest apollogies) . To you and all those at Southern, may the God of all grace and comfort sustain you until we meet again.

 
At 10:30 PM, Blogger Kate McDonald said...

Hello Lenny! Its Kate (Adelsberger) McDonald...just wanted to say 'hey' I found your link off of Britt's...fun to read your thoughts... how's life is Kentucky? Seattle is perfect these days...would love to hear from you sometime!

Kate

 
At 8:39 PM, Blogger Takytulips said...

(You don't know me, but I came across your blog and thoroughly enjoy it.) An interesting topic to post on. A friend of mine pursued a similar topic on his blog, recently. It would be inaccurate to say that I feel torn on this issue. However, I have a difficult time taking one of the obvious stances, as I feel there is a fine line in this issue. We should be grateful to God for allowing us to live in this nation, and I feel that we should worship on the 4th, as it is God who deserves the praise for our very existence. God has a place on the 4th. We should be praising Him for all the marvelous blessings He's so graciously bestowed upon us. However, we should be careful not to allow our worship service to turn into a worship of the U.S. I liked your comment on hoping that freedom would be viewed in terms of our freedom from sin. I mean, our allegiance should be pledged beyond our nation, and I feel it is inappropriate to pledge ourselves to a lesser being/institution during our time of worship. The focus should always be on God. If churches would like to mention our country and its history, that's fine. I just feel that the emphasis should be on God. He shouldn't be a minor point in our celebration of our country.

Wow! I hope that made some sense. I fear I may have rambled. In any case, May the Lord continue to bless you in marvelous ways. Peace be with you.

-Takara

 
At 12:28 AM, Blogger Andy said...

I'm definitely torn on the issue.

I love America!!! But I love the church even more.
I've been thinking about this for a little while, and I've come to the conclusion that the meeting of the church is not an appropriate time to celebrate national heritage. Though we absolutely should be grateful for the blessing of living in a rich, developed, free, educated, and historically Christian nation, I feel like the celebration of our American-ness in the church is a unifier of Americans. The church is supposed to be a unified, international body of Christ.
Within the services of the church, I think it is inappropriate to concentrate on those superficial things that separate me from the believers in Mexico, Britain, France, China, Iraq, Namibia, etc. The believers of all of those countries (i.e. the Church) have my loyalty. I do not have fellowship with most Americans, because how can light have fellowship with darkness?
The Church in the United States should take time to be thankful for God's unmerited blessings of placing us in such a country, but we need to be reminded that our loyalty lies elsewhere - to Christ, and to his one holy catholic (universal) church.

 

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